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Oh well – someone came into the #cvs channel on IRC without a clue, again. I’ve made a nice picture to show “the competition” (rival, whatever) to newbies (warning, sarcasm ahead)…

Subversion (svn, Suckwürstchen) for Dummies – or #cvs
 channel visitors • branches tags trunk

SCNR.

But trying to “cvs co” a websvn repository view… honestly!

Yes, I’m biased. And known to be proud of the things I use.

On Day 0, we were at my favourite Jugoslawian restaurant, and during eating and verpeiling, Andi took some pictures:
Jana und Jupp “ich habe die Macht” cnuke@ Henni und ciruZ (Jonathan) gecko2@ “geh weg” und bsiegert@ “waaah!” deer in the headlights
Take special note of the fun expressions everyone has…

Day 2, nothing of note at the conference itself – according to Jana, the only interesting talk (that tcpdump(8) GUI) was cancelled, and everything else was PHP and Web 2.0 crap. The food also was different, at least what I got, from Day 1. But it wasn’t as hot as on the previous day, and we did more socialising. I also managed to get the MirBSD ISO distributed some more.

Then I took my fellow DDs Enrico and madamezou geocaching for their first time, together with benz; they then took a Travelbug I found on Day 1 (with rsc) to Italy so it’ll end up in Rome, a next step on its mission.

Other rarely-seen people, such as Dr. Pfeffer, made an appearance, but overall the second day was quite relaxed. Ah, and Benny is a Doctor in Germany now as well.

On Monday, I slept quite a bit ☺

	14:31⎜*<* Signoff: XTaran (*.net *.split)

… doesn’t prevent me from telling him…

	14:39⎜<mira|AO> XTaran: n̲i̲e̲ n̲i̲e̲ n̲i̲e̲ n̲i̲e̲ n̲i̲e̲ n̲i̲e̲ n̲i̲e̲
	     ⎜empfiehlt man k̶i̶l̶l̶a̶l̶l̶, i̲m̲m̲e̲r̲ nur p̲k̲i̲l̲l̲!

“Now playing: Monzy — kill dash” ⇒ good idea… ☺


By the way, you were probably looking for this…

     -x      Require an exact match of the process name, or argument list if
             -f is given. The default is to match any substring.
 

… excerpt from the pkill(1) manual page, where you can see it stems from grep(1) clearly.


Yes, this website (and thus the RSS export) is Lynx on uxterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso10646-1 -fw -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-ko-18-120-100-100-c-180-iso10646-1 on XFree86® optimised. Your browser might not do combining.

Built the ISO [torrent link deleted 2014-05-13] in the morning, today. Finally. Whew. It was much too warm in the mēnsa, and why did I have to get up so early anyway? Real Conferences™ don’t start before 10 o’clock, and there are no sensible activities before 11 o’clock anyway…

Talked to a lot of people, introduced my favourite Fedora Packager to Geocaching. Now my throat is sore and I’m tired. Social Event was not my case, as usual. (And even the vegetarian food now costs money as opposed to, I think, two years ago.) At least dry and not too loud. Still, best thing of FrOSCon is the Friday Evening Jugoslawian Food Mealtime ;-)

How not to create DEB files

18.08.2011 by tg@
Tags: debian

Once upon a time, there was Deb and Ian. That was about exactly 18 years ago. We don’t talk about the 0.939000 format any more, but they eventually settled on:

	$ ar rc pkg_1.0_all.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz
	$ hexdump -C pkg_1.0_all.deb | head
	00000000  21 3c 61 72 63 68 3e 0a  64 65 62 69 61 6e 2d 62  |!<arch>.debian-b|
	00000010  69 6e 61 72 79 20 20 20  31 33 31 33 36 38 33 35  |inary   13136835|
	00000020  32 39 20 20 31 30 30 36  20 20 32 30 30 20 20 20  |29  1006  200   |
	00000030  31 30 30 36 34 34 20 20  34 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  |100644  4       |
	00000040  20 20 60 0a 32 2e 30 0a  63 6f 6e 74 72 6f 6c 2e  |  `.2.0.control.|
	00000050  74 61 72 2e 67 7a 20 20  31 33 31 33 36 38 33 35  |tar.gz  13136835|
	00000060  32 39 20 20 31 30 30 36  20 20 32 30 30 20 20 20  |29  1006  200   |
	00000070  31 30 30 36 34 34 20 20  31 33 39 31 20 20 20 20  |100644  1391    |
	00000080  20 20 60 0a 1f 8b 08 00  00 00 00 00 00 03 ed 59  |  `............Y|
	00000090  eb 6f db 36 10 f7 d7 f0  af b8 3a 5e 9b 74 b1 f5  |.o.6......:^.t..|
 

By then, systems were a.out(5), and everything was good. (Of course, if you look at the mtimes, you’ll notice I faked this. But it’s really equivalent to the real thing.

But oh horror! GNU binutils, not always everyone’s friend, switched from using BSD style “Unix Archiver” libraries in ar(1) to SYSV style libraries on elf(5) systems:

	$ ar rc on-elf debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz
	$ hexdump -C on-elf | head
	00000000  21 3c 61 72 63 68 3e 0a  64 65 62 69 61 6e 2d 62  |!<arch>.debian-b|
	00000010  69 6e 61 72 79 2f 20 20  31 33 31 33 36 38 33 35  |inary/  13136835|
	00000020  32 39 20 20 31 30 30 36  20 20 32 30 30 20 20 20  |29  1006  200   |
	00000030  31 30 30 36 34 34 20 20  34 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  |100644  4       |
	00000040  20 20 60 0a 32 2e 30 0a  63 6f 6e 74 72 6f 6c 2e  |  `.2.0.control.|
	00000050  74 61 72 2e 67 7a 2f 20  31 33 31 33 36 38 33 35  |tar.gz/ 13136835|
	00000060  32 39 20 20 31 30 30 36  20 20 32 30 30 20 20 20  |29  1006  200   |
	00000070  31 30 30 36 34 34 20 20  31 33 39 31 20 20 20 20  |100644  1391    |
	00000080  20 20 60 0a 1f 8b 08 00  00 00 00 00 00 03 ed 59  |  `............Y|
	00000090  eb 6f db 36 10 f7 d7 f0  af b8 3a 5e 9b 74 b1 f5  |.o.6......:^.t..|
 

Can you spot the difference?

Of course, ELF is what you want™, so there is little choice. Unix Archiver libraries are system dependent, and no format has ever been normed, but DEB files use it as format… so what is one to do?

	$ GNUTARGET=a.out-i386-linux ar rc with-aout \
	> debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz
	$ md5sum pkg_1.0_all.deb with-aout on-elf
	248f78d42f8ca8f2a3560f9800b2bf01  pkg_1.0_all.deb
	248f78d42f8ca8f2a3560f9800b2bf01  with-aout
	09eca70c9b11b6b55bbadcab5c3201fb  on-elf
 

“OK, and what do I do on my Debian/m68k system?”

ar(1) uses bfd, and GNU binutils can not only forcibly set the target emulation but also show them:

debian_m68k$ ar -h 2>&1 | grep '^ar: supported targets'
ar: supported targets: elf32-m68k a.out-m68k-linux elf32-little elf32-big plugin srec symbolsrec verilog tekhex binary ihex trad-core
debian_i386$ ar -h 2>&1 | grep '^ar: supported targets'
ar: supported targets: elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux pei-i386 elf32-little elf32-big elf64-x86-64 elf32-x86-64 pei-x86-64 elf64-l1om elf64-k1om elf64-little elf64-big plugin srec symbolsrec verilog tekhex binary ihex trad-core
debian_i386$ ar -h 2>&1 | grep '^ar: supported targets' # binutils-multiarch
ar: supported targets: elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux pei-i386 elf32-little elf32-big elf64-alpha ecoff-littlealpha elf64-little elf64-big elf32-littlearm elf32-bigarm elf32-hppa-linux elf32-hppa elf64-x86-64 elf32-x86-64 elf64-l1om elf64-k1om elf64-ia64-little elf64-ia64-big pei-ia64 elf32-m68k a.out-m68k-linux coff-m68k versados ieee a.out-zero-big elf32-tradbigmips elf32-tradlittlemips ecoff-bigmips ecoff-littlemips elf32-ntradbigmips elf64-tradbigmips elf32-ntradlittlemips elf64-tradlittlemips elf32-powerpc aixcoff-rs6000 elf32-powerpcle ppcboot elf64-powerpc elf64-powerpcle aixcoff64-rs6000 aix5coff64-rs6000 elf32-s390 elf64-s390 elf32-shbig-linux elf32-sh-linux elf32-sh64-linux elf32-sh64big-linux elf64-sh64-linux elf64-sh64big-linux elf32-sparc a.out-sparc-linux elf64-sparc a.out-sunos-big pei-x86-64 elf32-m32r-linux elf32-m32rle-linux elf32-spu plugin srec symbolsrec verilog tekhex binary ihex trad-core
mirbsd_i386$ ar -h 2>&1 | grep '^ar: supported targets'
ar: supported targets: elf32-i386 coff-a29k-big a.out.adobe aix5coff64-rs6000 a.out-zero-big a.out-mips-little epoc-pe-arm-big epoc-pe-arm-little epoc-pei-arm-big epoc-pei-arm-little coff-arm-big coff-arm-little a.out-arm-netbsd pe-arm-big pe-arm-little pei-arm-big pei-arm-little b.out.big b.out.little efi-app-ia32 efi-app-ia64 elf32-avr elf32-big elf32-bigarc elf32-bigarm elf32-bigarm-symbian elf32-bigarm-vxworks elf32-bigmips elf32-cr16c elf32-cris elf32-crx elf32-d10v elf32-d30v elf32-dlx elf32-fr30 elf32-frv elf32-frvfdpic elf32-h8300 elf32-hppa-linux elf32-hppa-netbsd elf32-hppa elf32-i370 elf32-i386-freebsd elf32-i386-vxworks elf32-i860-little elf32-i860 elf32-i960 elf32-ia64-hpux-big elf32-ip2k elf32-iq2000 elf32-little elf32-littlearc elf32-littlearm elf32-littlearm-symbian elf32-littlearm-vxworks elf32-littlemips elf32-m32r elf32-m32rle elf32-m32r-linux elf32-m32rle-linux elf32-m68hc11 elf32-m68hc12 elf32-m68k elf32-m88k elf32-mcore-big elf32-mcore-little elf32-mn10200 elf32-mn10300 elf32-msp430 elf32-nbigmips elf32-nlittlemips elf32-ntradbigmips elf32-ntradlittlemips elf32-openrisc elf32-or32 elf32-pj elf32-pjl elf32-powerpc elf32-powerpc-vxworks elf32-powerpcle elf32-s390 elf32-sh elf32-shbig-linux elf32-shl elf32-shl-symbian elf32-sh-linux elf32-shl-nbsd elf32-sh-nbsd elf32-sh64 elf32-sh64l elf32-sh64l-nbsd elf32-sh64-nbsd elf32-sh64-linux elf32-sh64big-linux elf32-sparc elf32-tradbigmips elf32-tradlittlemips elf32-us-cris elf32-v850 elf32-vax elf32-xstormy16 elf32-xtensa-be elf32-xtensa-le elf64-alpha-freebsd elf64-alpha elf64-big elf64-bigmips elf64-hppa-linux elf64-hppa elf64-ia64-big elf64-ia64-hpux-big elf64-ia64-little elf64-little elf64-littlemips elf64-mmix elf64-powerpc elf64-powerpcle elf64-s390 elf64-sh64 elf64-sh64l elf64-sh64l-nbsd elf64-sh64-nbsd elf64-sh64-linux elf64-sh64big-linux elf64-sparc elf64-tradbigmips elf64-tradlittlemips elf64-x86-64 mmo pe-powerpc pei-powerpc pe-powerpcle pei-powerpcle a.out-cris demo64 ecoff-bigmips ecoff-biglittlemips ecoff-littlemips ecoff-littlealpha coff-go32 coff-go32-exe coff-h8300 coff-h8500 a.out-hp300hpux a.out-i386 a.out-i386-bsd coff-i386 a.out-i386-freebsd a.out-i386-lynx coff-i386-lynx msdos a.out-i386-netbsd i386os9k pe-i386 pei-i386 coff-i860 coff-Intel-big coff-Intel-little ieee coff-m68k coff-m68k-un a.out-m68k-lynx coff-m68k-lynx a.out-m68k-netbsd coff-m68k-sysv coff-m88kbcs a.out-m88k-mach3 a.out-m88k-openbsd mach-o-be mach-o-le mach-o-fat coff-maxq pe-mcore-big pe-mcore-little pei-mcore-big pei-mcore-little pe-mips pei-mips a.out-newsos3 nlm32-alpha nlm32-i386 nlm32-powerpc nlm32-sparc coff-or32-big a.out-pc532-mach a.out-ns32k-netbsd a.out-pdp11 pef pef-xlib ppcboot aixcoff64-rs6000 aixcoff-rs6000 coff-sh-small coff-sh coff-shl-small coff-shl pe-shl pei-shl coff-sparc a.out-sparc-little a.out-sparc-linux a.out-sparc-lynx coff-sparc-lynx a.out-sparc-netbsd a.out-sunos-big sym a.out-tic30 coff-tic30 coff0-beh-c54x coff0-c54x coff1-beh-c54x coff1-c54x coff2-beh-c54x coff2-c54x coff-tic80 a.out-vax-bsd a.out-vax-netbsd a.out-vax1k-netbsd versados vms-alpha vms-vax coff-w65 coff-we32k coff-z8k elf32-am33lin elf32-ms1 srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex netbsd-core

Wow. While binutils share no single supported working target, they can be built multiarch, or (on MirBSD) with --enable-targets=all --enable-64-bit-bfd. Doesn’t help if you want to stay portable: GNUTARGET=srec is common on all Debian (sid) binutils versions (single or multiarch), but errors out on older binutils. The a.out-* targets are not common. Sure, you could hack around things, but… this is tedious. If you follow things or know me a little, you might already have guessed that I wouldn’t let that stand.

pax(1) to the rescue. On MirBSD, we use paxtar, which has cpio(1) and tar(1) front-ends and supports multiple formats (4 cpio and 2 tar variants) and has already been extended a lot and is lovingly called paxmirabilis (mirabilos’ peace in Latin) – it has options to anonymise archives: set uid and gid to zero, set mtime to zero, (for ustar) only write the numeric uid and gid to the archive, (for cpio formats) serialise inodes and device information, write content of hardlinked files only once (breaks partial extraction but saves a lot of space, e.g. 2 MiB off the Grml initrd.gz). And, recently, the ability to append a trailing slash to pathnames of ustar members which are directories (GNU tar does it – and I thought some Debian utilities check for it). So why not… (the -M dist and fakeroot set the uid/gid to 0)

	$ find debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz | \
	> mircpio -oHar -Mdist >with-mircpio
	$ mirpax -w -M dist -f with-mirpax -x ar \
	> debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz
	$ mirtar -M dist -A -cf with-mirtar \
	> debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz
	$ GNUTARGET=a.out-i386-linux fakeroot ar rc with-aout-ar \
	> debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz
	$ md5sum with-*
	a466e2fd57cdee141fe585a43245548f  with-aout-ar
	a466e2fd57cdee141fe585a43245548f  with-mircpio
	a466e2fd57cdee141fe585a43245548f  with-mirpax
	a466e2fd57cdee141fe585a43245548f  with-mirtar
 

Voilà. I got it, and even appending is possible. It supports the BSD format with special focus on DEB files, and deals with long filenames, but not symbol or filename tables (used by ranlib(1) or strange formats, respectively, but since we don’t create *.a files to use with some native linker/binder/loader, we don’t need that anyway).

On extraction (oh, and listing!) it deals with SYSV style filenames as well.

	$ mirtar tvf on-elf
	-rw-r--r--  1 tg       tg          4 Aug 18 16:05 debian-binary
	-rw-r--r--  1 tg       tg       1391 Aug 18 16:05 control.tar.gz
	-rw-r--r--  1 tg       tg      18135 Aug 18 16:05 data.tar.gz
	$ mirtar tvf with-aout
	-rw-r--r--  1 tg       tg          4 Aug 18 16:05 debian-binary
	-rw-r--r--  1 tg       tg       1391 Aug 18 16:05 control.tar.gz
	-rw-r--r--  1 tg       tg      18135 Aug 18 16:05 data.tar.gz
 

One of the real benefits is that you can use the front-ends interchangably – for example, “mirtar tzf foo.cpio.gz” would work (which GNU tar can’t do), and mircpio’s ustar implementation, unlike GNU cpio’s, is not horribly broken.

Of course, there are some drawbacks: it’s not GNU tar or GNU cpio, so there are absolutely zero --long-options. Some of their features are missing (but tar’s -O is implemented now), so it’s no replacement (but very well usable alongside it). The format called pax, committee-designed to replace ustar, isn’t yet supported ironically, but that’s on the TODO.

So, what do you think?

	tg@frozenfish:~/Debs/dists/sid/wtf/Pkgs/mircpio $ ll *.deb
	-rw-r--r-- 2 tg freewrt 78140 Aug 17 11:04 mircpio_20110817-0wtf2_amd64.deb
	-rw-r--r-- 3 tg freewrt 72262 Aug 17 11:00 mircpio_20110817-0wtf2_i386.deb
	-rw-r--r-- 1 tg freewrt 67446 Aug 17 18:21 mircpio_20110817-0wtf2_m68k.deb
 

Should I upload this to Debian proper?

As for the licence: 3-clause UCB (and 2-clause BSD, which is a subset of it), so no problem. I’m asking because the other package which I had been using for a long time and not uploaded, jupp, got uploaded recently (during DebConf) on user input (people wondered why it did not yet exist in Debian proper). I guess the old saying “if it’s not in Debian, it doesn’t exist” holds true in many parts of the OSS world.

It’s up to date wrt. standards btw, and lintian-clean save for two pedantic-class warnings (no upstream changelog file, no homepage link) which aren’t fulfillable (could link this wlog entry as homepage).

If you know Alioth you’re familiar with the software formerly known as SourceForge, formerly known as GForge, currently known as FusionForge. My employer both uses it and contributes to it, we run an adapted (mostly themed, prototyping new functions that often end up in FusionForge itself, and backporting functions from FF to our “production codebase”) version.

I’ve backported the extratabs plugin to appease project managers and other non-technical people while we move our codebase to FF 5.1, and I did so on an installed version of the plugin rather than the source because the latter was tightly integrated with rather heavy packaging style changes.

	[…]
	dh_builddeb
	# create fusionforge-plugin-extratabs binary package
	toplev=$$(pwd); cd plugins/fusionforge-plugin-extratabs; \
	p=$$(print -r -- $$(sed -n '/^Package: /s///p' C/control | head -1)); \
	v=$$(print -r -- $$(sed -n '/^Version: /s///p' C/control | head -1)); \
	a=$$(print -r -- $$(sed -n '/^Architecture: /s///p' C/control | head -1)); \
	d=$${p}_$${v}_$${a}.deb; \
	rm -f $$toplev/../$$d control.tar.gz data.tar.gz; \
	(cd control; find . | fgrep -v /.svn | sort | \
	    mircpio -oC512 -Hustar -M0x0B -Mgslash) | gzip -n9 >control.tar.gz; \
	(cd data; find . | fgrep -v /.svn | sort | \
	    mircpio -oC512 -Hustar -M0x0B -Mgslash) | gzip -n9 >data.tar.gz; \
	mirtar -M dist -Acf $$toplev/../$$d debian-binary cont*gz dat*gz; \
	rm -f control.tar.gz data.tar.gz; \
	cd $$toplev; dpkg-distaddfile $$d non-free/devel optional
 

The hardest part of extending debian/rules with that was to get the autobuild and dpkg-distaddfile call right. This works, even though I’d call it a temporary kludge. (No need to tell me I should have used && – I know. And I only shell out to mksh(1) because the “inner” part was already there from before, when I still used ar(1). This was slightly edited for the wlog.)

In the meanwhile, apt-extracttemplates can deal with SYSV style filenames in DEB files – on Debian sid, but not on K?buntu hardy, which some people are using as Desktop OS still…

Update 03.03.2012 – Jonathan Nieder replied quickly with a suggestion to instead take over the “pax” package in Debian. Eventually, I uploaded pax (1:20120211-1) from the former “mircpio” package to Debian, after I managed to talk to its previous maintainer Bdale Garbee (thanks for handing over). It is now present in Debian wheezy and Zubunt! precise as /bin/pax with /bin/paxcpio and /bin/paxtar offering the other interfaces.

FrOSCon 2011

18.08.2011 by tg@
Tags: debian event grml news

This year without our friends from Grml, but The MirOS Project (all two active developers and our Booth Babe gecko2@) will of course attend FrOSCon, nicknamed Froschkon, again.

We’ll have a pre-event meal time at my favourite Jugoslawian Restaurant on Friday (20:00 CEST) – contact me privately for the coördinates if interested. On Saturday and Sunday we’ll staff a booth and answer questions about the many projects we have (more or less) running, including but not limited to paxmirabilis (aka MirCPIO), The MirBSD Korn Shell aka mksh(1), jupp the editor, and developers’ private projects such as slowly undermining Debian or Google-Go. While slow we are still working on World Domination. And teaching people good shell programming by example code.

We might even bring CDs, but I’m still working on the ISO… last night’s build aborted because the OS grew a bit making the floppy image not fit any more. (Solution, drop ping(8) and rtsol(8), but re-add sf(4) and bce(4) now that they fit again.)

Not a good idea…

18.08.2011 by tg@
Tags: debian fun

Sometimes, when you develop WUIs (Web UI), you really have to test them against a variety of browsers, not all of which are available for the operating system installed on peoples’ desktop PCs, or working in Wine. (For theming QA, Wine is also a #FAIL, but for technical QA, MSIE 1.5, 3.0, 5.02, 5.5, 6.0 work fine, and MSIE 7.0 can be used under rare circumstances.) In these cases, you use VMs running certain operating systems. One VM had an interesting idea of which hardware you can “safely remove” a couple of days ago when I was hacking it anyway: Safely Remove… the RAM controller?

「??? ???」 • or • mira meets d-i

18.08.2011 by tg@
Tags: bug debian fun

(originally published on 2011-01-26, but reposting so the people on Plänet Debian can have some fun)

While helping a cow-orker setting up an encrypted hard disc (basically, putting / and swap into LVM inside cryptsetup, and /boot outside), mirabilos managed to discover an entirely new side of K?buntu 10.10 on his voyage…

Warped
… wo noch nie ein Debian Developer zuvor gewesen ist… oder?

(Only a reboot helped at that point. Earlier, the dialogue box was shown only once, but upon re-entry of the partitioning clickibunti d-i tool, neither button did anything save redrawing this… interesting, informative and intuitive error message.)

The pictures are hypertext references to large versions. Of course, your photographer (me, although Samuel helped to set up the PocketPC’s camera application correctly, 10x) also had some Kruškovac ☺ (imported from Croatia into Bosnia)…

spontaneous late night meeting at Front Desk

Of course we were not above closing Front Desk either ☻☺

Best Friends

jupp 3.1.17 uploaded today, mostly thanks to user input suggesting I improve things, especially the syntax highlighting. (Maybe more to come.) I like users who don’t complain but give helpful comments and send in patches even.

Since the Debian FTP masters complain that the NEW queue is empty for the first time in ages, I also uploaded jupp to Debian proper (got requests, several, from actual users – independent of each other). I originally thought I were the only user, it’s not worth it, maybe too close to joe (which segfaults a lot more and has some ugly things, so I cherry-picked the better features of it instead of rebasing jupp), but it’s had a package in mports (MidnightBSD ports) for ages, users submitted one to FreeBSD® last year and keep it updated, there’s even a WIP package in pkgsrc®, and who knows where else or how many people are using my OpenSuSE Buildservice package or have had installed the previous DEB package I uploaded to my play repo. So now I feel it worth to upload.

I even invested some major packaging rework, such as splitting the build-arch and build-indep parts from each other, and importing the upstream source into the packaging VCS, as I have learned in the “packaging with git” talk here at DebConf. (No guys, I will stick to CVS as git doesn’t give me anything.)

Been hot and dry today (although the sky is now back full of dark clouds), so I had a headache most of the morning until way past noon. Better now though, and I found a place where I could get Cevapi, which are really some sort of quick imbiss / fast food here (no Đuveč pirinač though, and she didn’t have any Ajvar nor did she speak any language other than the local, but that wasn’t a problem, only a bit dry because I didn’t give in and took the offered Ketchup). Bought a 1ℓ bottle of Kruškovac (from Hrvatska, though) and some small plastic glasses, then.

I wonder how many people would, now, be willing to give Bosna i Hercegovina a try as holiday region (which might have been the intent of having a Balkan DebConf). I’m sure I do.

To all attendees: the hotel will give you some kind of stamped hardpaper card which states where you stayed on the trip, and for how long – give that to the border guards when exiting Bosnia.

DebConf

25.07.2011 by tg@

Sitting in Бања Лука, Република Српска, Босна и Херцеговина (Banja Luka, Republika Srpska, Bosna i Hercegovina) let’s just say the country is pretty nice. People are okay, the beer is not called “Nektar” by accident, and the Mark (subunit Fennig, funnily enough) is worth 1 DM. Price niveau is below Germany (even when we had the DM) in some things, below or at modern European in others. In short, very affordable. They don’t accept paper money though, it’s really hard to get coins in most places, and they only want those. The food is okay, and my hotel is very luxurious. It’s also got LAN.

The weather is not so nice at the moment though: raining a lot, and expecting 30°C too-hot sun in two days. And there are still no Geocaches in the area.

Anyway, DebConf is going on, I’m acclimating and trying to get people, faces, nicknames and realnames connected. And accents. (And pronunciation of names – for example, Ian differs totally from what I’d use.) We even have working wire network (LAN) most of the time ;-)

We’re indeed still working on resurrecting m68k, but that’s no news. More on that later, I’d say.

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